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Elizabeth Chapin of Austin Enneagram and apprentice of Enneagram master Suzanne Stabile, introduces the Enneagram numbers. To type yourself, start with the intro and work your way through the numbers. My goal is to share this practical and transformational tool with others in a way that is narrative, inclusive and accessible.
Part 2 of Episode 49, this conversation comes from my friend Wyatt Rodgers feeding episode 49 into his AI. ChatGPT refines its analysis of Wyatt’s enneagram type and then gives us more feedback on what my and Wyatt’s blind spots might be in this analysis, which I found to be really impressive.
Grateful for end music “3:35 pm, Clearing Not Far From Camp” by Adam Hilton
Wyatt’s face when I use the word “interesting”
What happens when you feed your thoughts and feelings into AI, form a relationship with it over time, and then ask it what your Enneagram number is? My friend Wyatt Rodgers, having done just that, joins me in discussing his use of AI as a self awareness tool, like the Enneagram.
Gratitude for end music “3:35 pm, Clearing Not Far From Camp” by Adam Hilton, who created this in conjunction with my exhibition Treespell.
Wyatt lounging in the kitchen
Susan Piver, meditation teacher and writer of the nuanced book The Buddhist Enneagram, merges concepts of Buddhism and Enneagram, emphasizing how the Enneagram is a spiritual tool and not a self-help program, personality typer, or life hack. She talks of our 3 centers of intelligence (mental/head triad-delusion, heart/emotional triad-grasping, and body/instinct triad-aggression) as the 3 poisons. And arrows of integration and disintegration as peaceful and wrathful deities. We just grazed the early chapters of her very helpful book, with my dog Wendell repeatedly groaning in her lap. There is much more to dig into.
Also, when I talk about “centering” myself in this podcast, I am talking about the compulsion to see myself as the center of my experience. I am not talking about centering prayer or grounding oneself. I am literally talking about overfocusing on self and individual identity.
End music is by artists Adam Hilton and Henna Chou created in collaboration with my exhibition Treespell (3:35pm, clearing not far from camp on the album Forest Meditation)
Reissuing my conversation with friend, writer, activist Bernadette Noll. We discuss type 8 in Helen Palmer’s book. This was taken down and I am adding it back with no end music.
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reissuing this episode on type 2 since it got taken down
The last chapter in the Helen Palmer book study. Type 9 discussion with fellow Vermonter Erica DeLorenzo. One of my favorite quotes of hers, “I love wanting what other people want.” I also liked talking about how anger “leaks” out of a 9. Hope you enjoy. Let me know what you think. End music is a fair use snippet of Garth Brooks “The Dance” because 9s show us how to do it.
Bernadette Noll is the author of Slow Family Living, the poem I Want to Age Like Sea Glass, and founder of Reduce, Reuse, Remake, an organization which finds ways to build community and cut back on consumption. She and I discuss the type 8 in Helen Palmer’s book The Enneagram, Understanding Yourself and Others in Your Life
Purchase Bernadette’s book for parents of young children in your life here:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/311596/slow-family-living-by-bernadette-noll/
I reference the book I am reading: The More Beautiful World Our Hearts Know is Possible by Charles Eisenstein
For information on why I don’t want to use the word “inner city,” these articles are helpful:
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/inner-city-violence-in-the-age-of-mass-incarceration/382154/
https://www.urban.org/2016-analysis/problem-talking-about-inner-cities
End music is “Won’t Back Down” by Tom Petty
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I revisit Helen Palmer’s Chapter on Type 7 with my mom. My favorite comment “You can’t help your feelings, I can’t help my speed!”
end music is “My Cosmos is Mine” by Depeche Mode
Rachel Lomas — friend, political activist, great cook - an epicure for sure - joins me today in a conversation about Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 7
end music is Walking on a Dream by Empire of the Sun
My friend Kathie Sever —the founder of the merry band of chainstitching geniuses at Ft Lonesome joins me again to discuss Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 6. My take away is that 6s are roving confirmation bias seekers/busters. Finding all the facts to support their ideas or finding all the facts that don’t. Also, Kathie’s idea of a knight in shining armor might have to be a series for each number. I love it.
When I said Russ Hudson had a word for 4s, I meant Claudio Naranjo used the word “vindictive”
When Kathie refers to IFS therapy, she is talking about Internal Family Systems therapy
The Jungian podcast we love is called The Salome Institute, led by Satya Doyle Byock (author of “Quarterlife”— an excellent gift for anyone in their 20s).
Tim Urban is the author Kathie refers to — he wrote “What’s our Problem” and Kathie recommends him on Lex Fridman podcast #360
The documentary on the NXIVM cult is called “Seduced”
The parable of the farmer is from the children’s book “Zen Shorts” by Jon Muth
end music is Doubt by Twenty One Pilots
I recorded Helen Palmer’s chapter on type 5 with my 5 husband Nathaniel
end music is Space Cowboy by Kacey Musgraves
Lillian Sims joins me in discussing Helen Palmer’s chapter on the type 5
out music is “Where is my Mind” sung by Tkay Maidza
My friend and jewelry designer Nak Armstrong joins me in nearly 2 hours of type 4 conversation, where I am pretty sure we successfully debunk any notions of sexiness in our type, thanks to the excellent ideas of Helen Palmer.
out music is patron saint of 4, Chopin’s Piano Concerto no. 2 in F Minor (of course!!!), Larghetto. This piece is one of my favorites and, to me, encompasses all the mercurial moodiness, beauty, longing and rage of type 4. Orchestra della Toscana, conductor, Daniele Rustioni
I felt compelled to take the opportunity to go through Helen Palmer’s chapter about 3s with my daughter Alabel. She modeled “polyphasic activity” by clipping her nails while podcasting with me!!! You will hear it. There are a few things I wish I had followed up on, but I can circle back.
end music is My Future by Billie Eilish
photo by Sarah Bork
My friend Griff Martin joins me to talk about Helen Palmer’s chapter on Type 3
end song is “Flames” by David Guetta and Sia
mentor and master Enneagram teacher Suzanne Stabile joins me in discussing Helen Palmer’s chapter on Type 2
podcast cover photo by Inti St Clair
end music is “Anyone Who Loves Me” by Charlotte Cardin
Friend and type 1 Eliza Hook joins me in reading and discussing the chapter “Point 1: The Perfectionist” in Helen Palmer’s book “The Enneagram: Understanding Yourself and the Others in Your Life”
end music is “Ful Stop” by Radiohead
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